New Giant Ring found orbiting Saturn

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New Giant Ring found orbiting Saturn

Post by Conan Mc Donnell » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:32 pm

I must admit it's hard to get to grips with the scale of this thing.

here is a report from space.com
There's a new king of rings in the solar system: An enormous new ring has been discovered around Saturn, made up of debris from the gas giant's distant moon Phoebe.
Before the discovery of this massive ring – about 12.5 times the average distance between the Earth and the moon in width and 6 times that distance in thickness – the largest known planetary rings were Jupiter's gossamer rings and Saturn's E ring.
Astronomers have long suspected the presence of this ring, which orbits Saturn at a radius of about 8 million miles (13 million km) – 200 times the radius of the planet itself.
"There were hints that it could be there," said Douglas Hamilton of the University of Maryland, one of the astronomers who found the ring.
One such hint was the unusual coloring of Saturn's moon Iapetus, which had one dark side and one light side. Some astronomers suspected that the dark side, which looked suspiciously similar in composition to another of Saturn's satellite, Phoebe, was actually debris dust from Phoebe stuck to Iapetus' surface.
But astronomers haven't been able to detect it until now because, "this thing is just immense," Hamilton told SPACE.com. "If you look at just a small patch of it, you just see fuzziness."
Hamilton and his colleagues were finally able to see the behemoth ring with the infrared capability of the Spitzer Space Telescope. Spitzer was able to detect the sunlight reflected by the tiny dark black particles. The discovery is detailed in the Oct. 8 issue of the journal Nature.
The particles were likely created when asteroids, meteors or other bodies collided with Phoebe over the eons. While some of the particles are small enough to drift out of Saturn's gravitational grasp and into interplanetary space, others drift inwards toward the planet, where some get stuck to the leading hemisphere of Iapetus, which trawls through them. Periodic collisions replace the particles lost in these ways.
Interestingly, Phoebe and its associated dust ring travel in the opposite direction of Saturn's other rings and satellites.
The tiny particles are extremely diffuse, with only about 20 in every cubic kilometer of the ring, Hamilton said.
"If you were there, you wouldn't know you were in a ring," he said.
And because the other gas giants are known to have far-out, irregular satellites like Phoebe, it is likely that they also have similarly large, diffuse rings orbiting millions of kilometers out.


"I think this is the tip of the iceberg," Hamilton said.
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Post by Frank Ryan » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:08 pm

It's pretty hard to visualise the scale alright.
I think there is a limit to our 'visual' perception it terms of
it being so big and near that it becomes almost abstract.
If you think that the Andromeda Galaxy is so far away and so big and
has so many stars the mind boggles, yet we can see it as a fuzzy patch
in the sky.
I read the this new ring is so diffuse that in a cubic KM there are 3 maybe 4 particles of 1 micron or less.
Now that's diffuse!
:lol:

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